tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post9142706825290591143..comments2023-11-30T00:11:27.068+00:00Comments on Anak si Hamid: The Camel and the Arab - a metaphor for the Allah Issue anak si-hamidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01936071509364600235noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-32504070600091066662014-01-24T12:22:13.325+00:002014-01-24T12:22:13.325+00:00Thank you Jan 24 7.29 am
Can you wait a while bef...Thank you Jan 24 7.29 am<br /><br />Can you wait a while before I reply?anak si-hamidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01936071509364600235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-61379962344195967172014-01-24T12:20:25.076+00:002014-01-24T12:20:25.076+00:00Thank you Anon Jan 24 4.57 am
Have you read my re...Thank you Anon Jan 24 4.57 am<br /><br />Have you read my response to 2.22am Jan 22? I think that suffices as a reply to yours.<br /><br />By the way, have you any opinion about my description of how Christianity snuggled its way into the Malay-Muslim domain by its strong firepower and by riding on the coat-tails of Western-Christian imperialism?anak si-hamidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01936071509364600235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-11985973886228479282014-01-24T07:29:53.101+00:002014-01-24T07:29:53.101+00:00I don't know if you read Helen Ang's blog,...I don't know if you read Helen Ang's blog, but if you don't, I would like to draw your attention to one of her postings.<br /><br />http://helenang.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/jabatan-kerajaan-akur-kristian-kuat-dan-berpengaruh/<br /><br />Specifically to the part with the twitter exchange between some people and Parit Buntar MP, Dr Mujahid.<br /><br />What to do with people like him?Obviously he's not interested in discussion, preferring to call others stupid instead. Who's the stupid one here really?<br /><br />I think this should be spread, because the church and their political allies are under the delusion that people like Mujahid represents the majority of Malays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-51928755656591063102014-01-24T04:57:13.517+00:002014-01-24T04:57:13.517+00:00AsH,
Anon 2:22 puts forth a very valid point. The...AsH,<br /><br />Anon 2:22 puts forth a very valid point. The East Malaysians have been using the word long before their union with the Peninsular in 1963. The issue we have are East Malaysians bringing over their religious practices as many of them are living and working in the Peninsular. I see no reason why they should be restricted from their own religious practices.<br /><br />Furthermore, Bahasa-language Christian practices with 'Allah' has been in use among the Orang Asli in the Peninsular before Independence. It was only in the 1980s that some officials in the ministry decided to prohibit it.<br /><br />Another thing I would like to point out is that the majority of Christians in Malaysia are actually of Bumiputera descent. Chinese and Indians make up only one-third of the Malaysian Christian demographic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-91417393224531411172014-01-23T12:50:13.818+00:002014-01-23T12:50:13.818+00:00Thank you tsyhll,
Give an inch, they'll take ...Thank you tsyhll,<br /><br />Give an inch, they'll take a yard.<br /><br />Kasi muka, naik kepala.<br /><br />But P. Ramlee's version in that song is more earthy. "Sikit kasi, banyak minta"<br /><br />However many Malaysians have been "Banyak kasi, lagi banyak minta".anak si-hamidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01936071509364600235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-2627896535094344422014-01-23T12:46:24.938+00:002014-01-23T12:46:24.938+00:00Thank you Anon 8.05 am Jan 22
The motives of Chri...Thank you Anon 8.05 am Jan 22<br /><br />The motives of Christians like Packiam et al will never be made explicit. It is up to Malay-Muslims to research and analyze the workings of Christianity and its evangelists in this Malay-Muslim domain.<br /><br />Malays have to get out of that neat, cosy world of perusing their navels and wondering about how to get to paradise. Only with knowledge can Malays counter the slippery half-truths and subterfuge of their antagonists.anak si-hamidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01936071509364600235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-69638021128814086212014-01-23T12:36:00.914+00:002014-01-23T12:36:00.914+00:00Thank you 2.22am Jan 22
I think YOU are diverting...Thank you 2.22am Jan 22<br /><br />I think YOU are diverting from the real issue. You don't like what you read about the arrival, the development, and the advance of Christianity in the Malay-Muslim domain.<br /><br />Get reading about the real issues - of the Christians' (and especially the Catholics') offensive ágainst the religious status quo in Malaysia, partly by pushing this campaign to purloin the Arab word for God. If it was so crucial to their relationship with God, why didn't they demand this in the time preceding Merdeka, in the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, the 1990s? Or did the new Christian Millennium inspire a kind of Damascene light?<br /><br />Certainly at the beginning, missionaries like St Francis Xavier and Jesuit preachers would shudder at the use of that word 'Allah'!<br /><br />It's all about Christianity and especially Roman Catholicism flexing their muscles in a predominantly Muslim domain. They once used cannons and war and perks like education. Today it's the power of the image, the word and the symbol. Take the context and the vocabulary of your rival and use that against him. It's just another disguise to trick and deceive your prey - the Muslims in Southeast Asia.<br /><br />As far as I know, the Christians in Sabah and Sarawak are free to use what word they want for God including Allah. That was how they were taught by the missionaries, and the situation remains as it was.<br /><br />The other real and more provocative issue today is the unity of Christian strategy on key evangelical issues. And with regard to your point about "the Peninsular", just remember the story of the Trojan Horse.<br /><br />As I wrote earlier, why now? Has it to do with disguising Christian evangelists from for example, East Malaysia - punctuating their preachings in the Semenanjung, in Sumatra, in Java, in the Celebes, in Kalimantan etc with the word 'Allah' - making it 'user-friendly' for Muslims, especially the poor and deprived and innocent in the rural areas? Isn't this almost similar to "inviting Muslims" to buka puasa (with little talks thrown in) at that Damansara church?<br /><br />We know who would be hidden in that Trojan Horse and we know who built that Trojan Horse in the first place.<br /><br />Just an afterthought. What other Malay-Muslim-Arab words will be pilfered by your brethren? I can think of terms like madrasah ( instead of Sekolah Hari Ahad), solat, Isa, Mariam or Maryam, insyaAllah, Bismillah, Assalamuailkum etc. <br /><br />Jesus!!!! ( which is a word used to express exasperation in the west) anak si-hamidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01936071509364600235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-8145583463942216442014-01-23T03:01:25.409+00:002014-01-23T03:01:25.409+00:00I could sum this up with 4 words,
"BAGI BETIS...I could sum this up with 4 words,<br />"BAGI BETIS NAK PEHA".tsyhllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09384201858792120482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-24226762024048395072014-01-22T08:05:22.214+00:002014-01-22T08:05:22.214+00:00You won't hear that as the reason for their ad...You won't hear that as the reason for their adamance to put Allah in Malaysian bibles.<br />in fact, I'm not aware if Lawrence and Pakiam give any real reason at all.<br />Just the usual rebutted excuse that foreign invaders printed bibles with Allah, without going to the reason why they did so.<br />This casts serious doubts on their intentions and sincerity.<br /><br />As for that camel and Arab story, it also serves as a metaphor for the dilemma that Malays face as well. Even while the country declared independence, the Malays faced the communist who fought and killed to set aside Malays claim on their own homeland, destroy the royal institution and basically reap this country for their kind without regard to the Malays. <br /><br />What's even worse, some Malays even support these kind of people just for their political ambition or political hatred.<br /><br />So how to deal with this?Those people just won't stop and they don't care for reason and compromise and always prepared to twist truth and history.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504059632454233163.post-44039799296293641562014-01-22T02:22:46.564+00:002014-01-22T02:22:46.564+00:00I think you are diverting the real issue. The real...I think you are diverting the real issue. The real issue is the Malay speaking East Malaysian want to use the word in Peninsular but being banned by the Muslim here. The non Malay non East Malaysian here have no problem of not using this word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com